<p>2:11 <em>Faithful is the saying: For if we died with him, we shall also live with him</em>- &quot;The saying&quot; would refer to one of the pithy &quot;faithful sayings&quot; which the New Testament church committed to memory. These would have been especially valuable for the illiterate. Paul has explained that our sufferings for others can play a part in their salvation, if our sufferings are part of the Lord's crucifixion sufferings. So he is giving another dimension to the well known truth that we are to die with Him; our death is not isolated from His death, and our sufferings are not isolated from His- if we are baptized believers &quot;in Him&quot;. And so it shall come to pass that because He lives, we in Him shall live also; His life becomes ours, both now and eternally. The tense of &quot;we died with Him&quot; surely alludes to baptism, the one-time moment when we died with Him.</p>